by Jon Weil and Robert Resta
Jon Weil was Director of the Program in Genetic Counseling, University of California Berkeley, from 1989 to 2001 and is the author of Psychosocial Genetic Counseling, Oxford University Press, 2000. He retired in 2001 but has remained professionally active. His current interests include the continuing development of psychosocial genetic counseling and promoting locally focused, patient-oriented international genetic counseling.
Robert Resta is a happily retired genetic counselor who has been a frequent contributor to the DNA Exchange since its inception in 2009.
Like a zombie, nondirective genetic counseling is a concept that refuses to die. It’s as old as genetic counseling itself and attempts to expose its shortcomings are just as old. But nondirectiveness refuses to go away. It keeps getting re-born in different guises – an antidote to eugenics or paradoxically a subtle form of eugenics, a variation on Dr. Carl Rogers’ patient-centered therapy, a philosophy underlying the educational model of genetic counseling, a natural corollary of patient autonomy, a basis for shared decision making, and a defense against engaging fully with the patient’s practical, emotional and medical needs and circumstances. Our impression is that in everyday practice most genetic counselors conceptualize nondirectiveness as some variation of “I shouldn’t tell the patient what to do,” even though there are times where you really should tell the patient what to do.
A recent Substack post about therapy with patients who have personality disorders by Orestis Zavlis, a PhD student in the Psychoanalysis Unit at University College London, got us to thinking about an alternative way to move beyond nondirectiveness in genetic counseling. Zavlis writes:
So, the whole point of therapy (not only for “borderline” patients but for all patients) is for the therapist to act as a container [bold in original]: they need to remain calm enough, and neutral enough in order to gracefully receive the projections, identify with them “just enough” so that they can understand them, contain them, then metabolize them, and then return them back to the patient in a more palatable and thinkable form. And this is a lot to ask of a person but that’s the job…
In the context of psychotherapy, the therapist and the therapy session endeavor to be a container – a safe, relatively neutral place for processing complex, emotionally charged, traumatic, or uncomfortable emotions, thoughts, or feelings. The therapist’s role is to nonjudgmentally absorb this psychic outpouring, help make emotional and cognitive sense of it, and then frame it and feed it back in a coherent and digestible form so the patient can have the wherewithal to cope with the issues at hand. This can help the psychological distress to be more effectively handled in the patient’s daily life outside the container.
In our view, this paradigm can be applied to genetic counseling, opening the conversation to some version of directiveness while maintaining respect for the primacy of the patient.
Here are some examples that illustrate how this might look in a genetic counseling session. In each scenario, the genetic counselor has carefully listened to the patient’s worries, anger, and anxiety, absorbed and framed them, and is providing feedback:
• You just told me that you are very worried about your ovarian cancer risk now that your BRCA1 test was positive and having had first-hand experience with ovarian cancer when you cared for your mother when she was dying of it. You are 50 years old. The strong medical recommendation in your situation, and one that I endorse, is that you should have your ovaries and fallopian tubes removed as soon as reasonably possible. Yet at the same time you are very reluctant to undergo the procedure, and you already canceled a surgical appointment. Let’s talk about why you canceled that appointment and what your fears and concerns about it are, beyond your immediate reason of having “a very busy schedule.”
• From what you have been telling me, you are trying so hard to be a good parent and do your utmost to make sure your daughter is getting the best possible medical care. It also sounds like you have had less-than-ideal experiences with some medical professionals. But a whole genome test might give you and her care providers a better understanding of what is going on with your daughter – with her great smile that melts everyone’s hearts – and help guide her treatment. You have some very understandable concerns about the privacy of genetic testing when the analysis is performed by a large commercial lab. But the concrete advantages of the testing might outweigh the potential of violating her privacy at some point in the future. How do you weigh one against the other?
• You have been reluctant to take your medication because you think that doctors don’t really know enough about the safety of it in pregnancy and you are in that developmentally sensitive period of early pregnancy. And you are right – we don’t have anywhere near as much data as we would like to have. But if your medical condition stays untreated, that would definitely pose a risk to the baby’s health and development. If you are not healthy, there’s a pretty good chance that will affect the baby in not good ways. This is a difficult decision but taking your medications I think ultimately is in the baby’s – and your – self-interest. How have you gone about making other decisions about how you care for yourself and your baby during this pregnancy?
But even with the best counseling skills, some patients make decisions that appear to be inconsistent with their own best interests, beliefs, or values. This does not necessarily represent a counseling failure. It can be very difficult to determine if a decision is “good” or “bad.” What looks like a good decision in the moment may in the long run prove to be a bad decision, and vice versa. Sometimes, too, patients are just not ready to make a decision and so they choose the easiest way out for the moment. And sometimes people just make bad decisions, accept the consequences, and move on with their lives.
Of course, no counselor is ever neutral. We are all embedded in personal, social, economic, historical, and cultural contexts that may be quite different than those of our patients. The result is that patients and genetic counselors can have very different frames of reference for perceiving and evaluating information. Those different frames of reference can color counseling sessions both overtly and subtly and throw a monkey wrench into the counseling works. But like Donald Winnicott’s concept of a Good Enough Parent, genetic counselors should strive to be neutral enough* to function as safe containers, whatever personal feelings they may harbor towards patients, their decisions, or their views. As Zavlis points out, this is no mean feat. It is all the more difficult to achieve in genetic counseling, which, for most patients, is a one or at most two-shot deal. It requires a healthy dose of personal and professional growth, along with a good understanding of the psychological meaning of patients’ words, choices, and actions. And it emphasizes the need for ongoing professional supervision and education throughout our careers.
Being appropriately directive in certain situations in genetic counseling demands wisdom, knowledge, self-awareness and a recognition of the ethical necessity to give our patients the full extent of our expertise. We may never vanquish the zombie. But we can move to a place from which to use our expertise fully – directional when appropriate without fear of being directive.
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* Yes, we recognize that “neutral enough” is more or less a contradiction in terms

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